Woo hoo it worked - and I had 4.04 so I'm about to get 4.14. Once I have sorted out my lost file (another thread......)
If anyone else ever reads htis, go to your ISP website and in help ask for DNS or Domain Name Server. In mine, tiscali, it offers 7 threads, one is how to setup your netgear router - whatever, all you need are the numbers. For tiscali they are for Primary DNS 126.96.36.199 and for Secondary DNS 188.8.131.52. You can probably use these whoever you are tbh
Anyway, again, thanks for the support I've always got the answers I needed on this forum.