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Re: More on CPU specs of the ReadyNAS Pro

Postby iwaleed » Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:19 am

I test today E7400 2.8GHz SLGW3 this support (VT-x) and also work with Pro 6 Bios version (07/26/2010 FLAME6-MB V2.0) also work with Ultra 6 Plus after upgrade the Bios version to (07/26/2010 FLAME6-MB V2.0)

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rocessor   : 0
vendor_id   : GenuineIntel
cpu family   : 6
model      : 23
model name   : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E7400  @ 2.80GHz
stepping   : 10
cpu MHz      : 2793.002
cache size   : 3072 KB
physical id   : 0
siblings   : 2
core id      : 0
cpu cores   : 2
apicid      : 0
initial apicid   : 0
fpu      : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level   : 13
wp      : yes
flags      : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm sse4_1 xsave lahf_lm dts tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority
bogomips   : 5586.00
clflush size   : 64
cache_alignment   : 64
address sizes   : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management:

processor   : 1
vendor_id   : GenuineIntel
cpu family   : 6
model      : 23
model name   : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E7400  @ 2.80GHz
stepping   : 10
cpu MHz      : 2793.002
cache size   : 3072 KB
physical id   : 0
siblings   : 2
core id      : 1
cpu cores   : 2
apicid      : 1
initial apicid   : 1
fpu      : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level   : 13
wp      : yes
flags      : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm sse4_1 xsave lahf_lm dts tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority
bogomips   : 5585.02
clflush size   : 64
cache_alignment   : 64
address sizes   : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management:


I noticed the Temp. is lower than E6700 in the same system difference about 10ºC

E7400 Temperature
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/sys/devices/platform/coretemp.0/temp1_max:76000
/sys/devices/platform/coretemp.0/temp1_label:Core 0
/sys/devices/platform/coretemp.0/temp1_crit_alarm:0
/sys/devices/platform/coretemp.0/temp1_input:34000
/sys/devices/platform/coretemp.0/temp1_crit:100000
/sys/devices/platform/coretemp.1/temp1_max:76000
/sys/devices/platform/coretemp.1/temp1_label:Core 1
/sys/devices/platform/coretemp.1/temp1_crit_alarm:0
/sys/devices/platform/coretemp.1/temp1_input:33000
/sys/devices/platform/coretemp.1/temp1_crit:100000


E6700 Temperature
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/sys/devices/platform/coretemp.0/temp1_max:80000
/sys/devices/platform/coretemp.0/temp1_label:Core 0
/sys/devices/platform/coretemp.0/temp1_crit_alarm:0
/sys/devices/platform/coretemp.0/temp1_input:44000
/sys/devices/platform/coretemp.0/temp1_crit:100000
/sys/devices/platform/coretemp.1/temp1_max:80000
/sys/devices/platform/coretemp.1/temp1_label:Core 1
/sys/devices/platform/coretemp.1/temp1_crit_alarm:0
/sys/devices/platform/coretemp.1/temp1_input:43000
/sys/devices/platform/coretemp.1/temp1_crit:100000
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Re: More on CPU specs of the ReadyNAS Pro

Postby Korky » Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:01 pm

grimloch wrote:Has that Q6700 melted your NAS yet? Wondering if it's safe to put one in my Pro..

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I've managed to get the CPU temperature at a more stable 40s:

Transcoding two movies 1080p to two devices (ipad & ps3) and copying 20GB (approx) data to NAS.

After 6 hours:

Fan SYS 1985 RPM OK
Fan CPU 2163 RPM OK
Temp SYS 59 C / 138 F [Normal 0-65 C / 32-149 F] OK
Temp CPU 42 C / 107 F [Normal 0-85 C / 32-185 F] OK


Replaced the stock heatsink with ( some modifications -replaced push pins with 4 screws) :
http://hipergroup.com/products.php?lv=3 ... =13&pid=38

Although the CPU is a lot cooler with the allcopper heatsink (by the way its almost twice the weight of the stock heatsink!) the SYS temp is still high.

Now looking for a better Fan but I doubt there is much out there (reading from the previous threads ...!)
I have tried two different fans but both not good (very low RPM or too loud!) The stock Fan is still by far the best with high RPM .

I'm starting to question the need for the additional power! The E6700 did the job (can transcode two 1080p movies at the same time to two different devices). Why are we all obsessed with more power? I think I have reached the limits with the Q6700 in this NAS ultra. I could attempt liquid cooling but whats the point!

The Q6700 works fine with some modifications but is it worth the extra effort? :twisted:
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Re: More on CPU specs of the ReadyNAS Pro

Postby ddoming73 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:16 pm

Korky,

I have been running a dual core E6700 for more than a year on my pro pioneer. I have the same SYS temp as you do. I have tried several different fans and have been unable to lower it. My theory is that it is hotter because of the higher FSB speed of the E6700 processors vs. the stock E2160

So, I doubt you could go any lower than what you already got there.

However, I'm thrilled that someone has gotten the q6700 working on the Pro. Good job!
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Re: More on CPU specs of the ReadyNAS Pro

Postby Korky » Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:41 pm

ddoming73 wrote:Korky,

I have been running a dual core E6700 for more than a year on my pro pioneer. I have the same SYS temp as you do. I have tried several different fans and have been unable to lower it. My theory is that it is hotter because of the higher FSB speed of the E6700 processors vs. the stock E2160

So, I doubt you could go any lower than what you already got there.

However, I'm thrilled that someone has gotten the q6700 working on the Pro. Good job!


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Does your CPU or SYS fans ever stop running when in idle or sleep mode?

Im sure when I had the stock CPU in the NAS the fans would power down when in sleep mode or when the disks were spin down mode but now both fans are always on, even when the disks have spanned down
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Re: More on CPU specs of the ReadyNAS Pro

Postby ddoming73 » Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:13 am

Hi Korky,

They would if I let them. :-)

My SYS fan never turns off.

The CPU fan I have has a higher turn-on voltage than the stock fan that came with my unit, so when idle the fan would indeed turn off. That made me nervous because the readynas would not really try to turn the fan back on until the CPU temp was at 45º or more. I preferred the additional fan noise to having the CPU at unnecessary high temps.

Therefore I added this script to keep the fan running even at idle ( I think it is at runlevel 2, don't have the info at hand):

#! /bin/sh
#
# Calibrate W83627ehf driver for controlling Silverstone FM83 fan
# on PWM2
#

# Start Voltage - 6V according to FM83 datasheet. Around 1500 RPM
# We try a higher value to ensure the fan starts reliably
echo 140 > /sys/devices/platform/w83627ehf.2576/pwm2_start_output

# Stop Voltage - empirically shown to be around 5.5V,
# lower than this and the fan may not stay on reliably
echo 122 > /sys/devices/platform/w83627ehf.2576/pwm2_stop_output

# Set PWM2 to Manual Mode so we can edit the current output value
echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/w83627ehf.2576/pwm2_enable

# Set output to start value
echo 140 > /sys/devices/platform/w83627ehf.2576/pwm2

usleep 100000

# Restore Auto Mode
echo 2 > /sys/devices/platform/w83627ehf.2576/pwm2_enable

exit 0
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Re: More on CPU specs of the ReadyNAS Pro

Postby ddoming73 » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:20 pm

Hi everybody,

I couldn't resist and went and bought the Q6700 for my readynas Pro Pioneer. However, installing it wasn't as straightforward as I thought. Once installed, the system started sending out scary alarms like:

DDB18 power is out of normal range [expected: 1.80 current: -0.00].
AVCC power is out of normal range [expected: 3.30 current: -0.00].
VCC3 power is out of normal range [expected: 3.30 current: -0.00].
VCC1_25 power is out of normal range [expected: 1.25 current: -0.00].
VCC1_5 power is out of normal range [expected: 1.50 current: -0.00].
VCC1_05 power is out of normal range [expected: 1.04 current: -0.00].
3VDUAL power is out of normal range [expected: 3.30 current: -0.00].
VBAT power is out of normal range [expected: 3.30 current: -0.00].

However, the CPU seemed to be running fine. After some research I traced the cause to the /frontview/conf/enclosure.db file. Fortunately this file is a sqlite DB, which I could modify. To make a long story short, you have to change the paths where the system looks for voltage and temp data from /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon2 (which assumes a dual core CPU) to /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon4 (which assumes a quad core CPU).

I wonder if the people that tried quad core CPUs before ran into this too? Maybe this format was introduced recently? I'm running Radiator 4.2.21

I know it's too much to ask but maybe netgear can make this conf more CPU independent in later releases?
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Re: More on CPU specs of the ReadyNAS Pro

Postby Korky » Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:00 pm

I didnt get this issue on the ultra 6 plus. I started on Radiator 4.2.20 and now I'm on 4.2.21 as yourself with the quad q6700 no errors reported. Also, once you have it setup how do the temps look with the q6700?
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Re: More on CPU specs of the ReadyNAS Pro

Postby ddoming73 » Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:26 am

Hi Korky,

Apparently the configuration of the enclosure program is different for each NAS product, each of them has a dedicated line in the enclosure.db database. So it is perfectly possible for an Ultra 6 to work fine, while a Pro Pioneer does not.

Regarding temps, I have not been able to find a heatsink like the one you used, it is apparently no longer in production and there is none for sale in e-bay. So I have had to use the stock heatsink and try with different fans.

I have tried an FN83 and an FM83 fan, both from silverstone. These fans have the advantage of being larger than your usual 80mm fan, so they move more air.

To make the story short, the FN83, which has a peak RPM of around 1700, is not enough to cool the Q6700. Once you load more than two cores to 100%, the temperature starts going out of control.

The FM83 barely manages to keep temperatures in check (50-55 degress Celcius) with all four cores maxed out. But for that it has to run at a screaming 3500 RPM. The noise is unbelievable.

My idle temps are 40-42 C for the CPU and 57-59 C for SYS. CPU is 10 C higher than my E6700. SYS temp is the same.

I use md5sum /dev/urandom to create CPU load.

My conclusion: Until I find some much improved cooling setup, I'm going back to the E6700. The increase in noise to keep this CPU cool is not worth it for me.

Regarding SYS temp, I was able to confirm that it goes down up to 5 degrees C when the CPU fan is running at high RPM, and creating more airflow on the motherboard. So I think that in order to significantly lower SYS temps you will have to add a small fan on the chipset heatsink.
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Re: More on CPU specs of the ReadyNAS Pro

Postby Korky » Sat Jul 28, 2012 4:16 am

Thanks ddoming73,

That's the same conclusion i have came to - like you have gone back to the E6700.

Instead of the improved cooling setup (very unlikely i think because of the limitation of the NAS) might be worth looking in a different direction....

what about a different quad processor with lower TDP that will work with the NAS?

I don't think there is one out there right now but things might change. If i find anything I will post back
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Re: More on CPU specs of the ReadyNAS Pro

Postby ddoming73 » Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:01 am

Hi Korky,

I have managed to procure an HFC-10828-C2 heatsink. Can you tell me what did you do to adapt it to the Readynas?

Did you simply remove the screws from the stock heatsink and put them in the new one, or did you have to purchase specific screws?
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Re: More on CPU specs of the ReadyNAS Pro

Postby brettgavin » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:46 am

Hi,

I'm not sure if anybody else is interested, but I'm having a new left-side panel made for my Pro6. The new panel will add 20mm to the depth of the panel. The point of this is to allow room to fit a replacement heat sink other than the HFC-10828-C2. Unlike ddoming73, I haven't been able to locate any online so far.

The new depth inside the box should be >73mm.

I'll post pictures when I receive the new panel.


If it works out, is anyone else interested in one?
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Re: More on CPU specs of the ReadyNAS Pro

Postby ddoming73 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:54 am

link to online store where I got the hfc heatsink. Apparently there is still stock. Don't know if they ship internationally.

http://www.coolmod.com/product/3765/0/0 ... -Cobre.htm
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Re: More on CPU specs of the ReadyNAS Pro

Postby brettgavin » Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:09 am

Great, thanks for the link! I'll check them out.
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Re: More on CPU specs of the ReadyNAS Pro

Postby Westyfield2 » Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:03 am

Just been reading through this thread, and a couple of other similar ones on this forum and elsewhere. Quite useful as I've found out a fair bit without even opening up my ReadyNAS! Though unfortunately it's not all that clear who's talking about the old Pro and who's got the new one. Below is the consolidated knowledge that I've acquired, and then some questions.

I have the ‘new’ Pro 6 (RNDP6000-200) with the Pentium D E5300 (2.6GHz, 800MHz FSB, 45nm, 65W TDP) as standard with 1x1GB Apacer PC2-6400 (75.073B4.G00) RAM. According to bios_ver.log I'm on 07/26/2010 FLAME6-MB V2.0

From looking around there seems to be no real answer as to what chipset the motherboard uses. lspci reckons it's an Q963/Q965, but the Pentium E5300 that Netgear ship the ReadyNAS with isn't on Intel approved list for it... so maybe it's something like a G31 chipset instead? Though WhoCares in September 2010 reckoned it's maybe the DP965/967, but doesn't say whether he's talking about the old or new Pro.

I'd like a faster CPU, but I'm very wary of over-heating the unit... so the 65W TDP, and then the real-world operating temperature, are pretty key IMHO.
I did have a think about sticking in a bigger/better heatsink & fan, but then all you're really doing is removing the heat from the CPU and sticking it in the case... all your other components & HDDs are now going to be getting all the heat from the CPU instead. Though in-case it helps anyone else, what I found out was the below (but even that is conflicting):
sleepy06405 who definitely has the new Pro said that "the stock heatsink/fan unit measures 1.5" H x 3.75" W. There is about 1/4" of clearance between the case and fan on the height side, on the width side the heatsink is about 1/4" away from a big rectangular heatsink on the board itself." So that's a height of 44mm in new money that you've got to play with.
Others, who don't say whether they're talking about the new Pro or the old Pro, say it's 53mm.

Going with the 44mm, as that person was definitely talking about the new Pro, that's a tight fit and if you're going to run a taller heatsink you're going to have to remove/modify the door. This FrosyTech review lists a few <45mm (1.5U) models.
Scythe are mentioned quite a few times in this thread, and their relevant models are
Other ones mentioned are the Hiper HFC-10828-C2 (28mm), and the Thermaltake MeOrb CLP0527 (47mm).
Multiple people have said that the stock CPU cooler is attached with 4 screws, so you have to use heatsinks that screw on or replace any push pin/plug ones with screws.

As for me, I'd want to stick with a CPU of similar temperature to the stock Pentium E5300. From reading what others have done...

March 2010 Chirpa said that he tried a E7400 and it didn't work - but was he talking about the old or new Pro? Note that the BIOS my new Pro 6 is running is dated after then.
August 2011 xtrips finds that a Pentium E6700 doesn't work, but again it's not clear whether he was talking about the old or new Pro (though TBH I wouldn't want to stick a Pentium in anyways).

A few people in various units, and sleepy06405 specifically in the new Pro 6, put in a Core 2 Duo E6700 (2.66GHz, 1066MHz FSB, 65nm, 65W TDP) and found that it worked fine. Although the headline clock speed isn't any better than stock, its a different architecture and the 20% higher bus speed will improve memory speed (can use PC2-8500 rather than PC2-6400 on the stock 800MHz Pentium). SL9ZF was his stepping, but I'm not sure what difference the stepping made on those anyways.

sleepy06405 also found that a Core 2 Quad QX6700 (2.66GHz, 1066MHz FSB, 65nm) worked too, and Korky did a Q6700, but at 130W TDP and 105W TDP that's just stupidly hot IMHO.

So the E6700 and QX6700 work definitely in sleepy06405's new Pro 6 (RNDP6000-200).



Scrolling up on this page, iwaleed with a Pro 6 running the same BIOS version as mine (so presumably a new RNDP6000-200) fits a Core 2 Duo E7400 (2.8GHz, 1066MHz FSB, 45nm, 65W TDP) and finds that it works fine. As he got the SLGW3 stepping (rather than SLGQ8/SLB9Y) it support VT-x Vanderpool virtualization.
He even says that it runs 10C cooler than the Core 2 Duo E6700, and as one of the changes from the E6000 to the E7000 was the change of process from 65nm to 45nm (thus making them cooler and more power efficient) I can believe it.
Note that the Core 2 Duo E7400 working directly contradicts what Chirpa said, but I'm going to wager that there's the difference of old vs new Pro, and a BIOS update in-between.


So the Core 2 Duo E7400 is the best that I've read of anyone having successfully work (ignoring the stupidly hot quads), but what about the Core 2 Duo E7600 (3.06GHz, 1066MHz FSB, 45nm, 65W TDP)? Has anyone tried it? In theory it's just like iwaleed's E7400, but just uses a higher multiplier to get the higher clock speed.

More risky perhaps would be trying a CPU that uses 1333MHz FSB. Given that we don't know what the motherboard chipset is, it's entirely possible that it won't do 1333MHz FSB... and actually I can't find anyone that's ever tried it.
Having a quick look at through at what Core 2 Duos use 1333MHz FSB and are 65W TDP there's the E6850 (3.00GHz, 1333MHz FSB, 65nm, 65W TDP), then in the E8000 series there's the E8600 (3.33GHz, 1333MHz FSB, 45nm, 65W TDP).
There's also a couple of Core 2 Quads that are still 65W TDP, but they're going to be a rather expensive trial unless you just happen to have one spare. They're the Q9505S (2.83GHz, 1333MHz FSB, 45nm, 65W TDP) and with more cache the Q9550S (2.83GHz, 1333MHz FSB, 45nm, 65W TDP).


So yeah, a E7400 with SLGW3 stepping or an E7600 is what I think I'll try. Would be good if anyone else that's tried other CPUs could post them up too, whether it was successful or not!
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Re: More on CPU specs of the ReadyNAS Pro

Postby Westyfield2 » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:14 pm

Westyfield2 wrote:From looking around there seems to be no real answer as to what chipset the motherboard uses. lspci reckons it's an Q963/Q965, but the Pentium E5300 that Netgear ship the ReadyNAS with isn't on Intel approved list for it... so maybe it's something like a G31 chipset instead? Though WhoCares in September 2010 reckoned it's maybe the DP965/967, but doesn't say whether he's talking about the old or new Pro.

So working on the fact that it comes with the factory fitted Pentium D E5300, and then ones that people have found work are the E6700, Q6700, and E7400, lets take a look at Intels lists of compatible processors:

For the Q963 Intel list only the E6700 - so if this is the chipset surely the Q6700 and E7400 shouldn't have worked? And the Pentium D E5300 that Netgear are fitting isn't on the list!
For the Q965 Intel list only the E6700 - so if this is the chipset surely the Q6700 and E7400 shouldn't have worked? And the Pentium D E5300 that Netgear are fitting isn't on the list!
For the DP965 Intel list the E6700 and Q6700 - so if this is the chipset surely the E7400 shouldn't have worked? And the Pentium D E5300 that Netgear are fitting isn't on the list!
For the G31 Intel list the E5300, the E6700, the Q6700, and the E7400 - so I'd say that this is the most likely chipset.

The G31 is also listed as supporting 1333MHz FSB... 8)
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